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Jul 31, 2023 at 16:35 comment added Russ Lenth It's reasonable to expect that removing outliers leads to more stable results. But even with the outlier removed, the two models don't produce exactly the same mean rates as you calculated "by hand." It is more complex than that.
Jul 30, 2023 at 12:32 comment added Isa Gre Thank you for your explanation. I have a good understanding of how mean rates are calculated from parameter estimates. However, I was expecting that estimates would be such that both models predict the same mean rates as the observed one, but that only their standard errors would be different (which is indeed the case: due to overdispersion, the SE is underestimated for Poisson model). However, when the outlier from EH is removed, my expectation seems to be correct. It looks as if the estimated parameters are differently sensitive to the presence of outliers between the two models?
Jul 28, 2023 at 18:23 history edited Russ Lenth CC BY-SA 4.0
Took out all the stuff about glmmTMB, that's just a distraction
Jul 28, 2023 at 18:13 history answered Russ Lenth CC BY-SA 4.0