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There are a load of discussions online about adding means and recalculating the standard deviation, but on none have I found answer to this question.

I have two sub groups with mean $x_1$ and $x_2$, and $s_1$ and $s_2$. I want to add the two means to create $x_1 + x_2 = x_3$. How do I calculate $s_3$. The two sub groups are additive.

The exact data I have is on herbicide and fungicide use on crops on four different farms, where herbicide + fungicide = pesticide.

Herbicide (kg): $2, 3, 1, 2$ Fungicide (kg): $4, 7, 3, 1$ Pesticide (kg): $6, 10, 4, 3$

Herbicide $x_1 = 2.0$; $s_1 = 0.8$ Fungicide $x_2 = 3.8$; $s_2 = 2.5$ Pesticide $x_3 = 5.8$; $s_3 = 3.1$

Unfortunately I don't have any of the underlying data. I have only been provided with herbicide and fungicide means and standard deviations, $x_1$, $x_2$, $s_1$ and $s_2$. Is calculating this possible?

Thank you!

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    $\begingroup$ It may be true in your case that pesticide = herbicide + fungicide, but that depends on physical additivity. That's not the same question as in statistical discussions on combining means or SDs of different samples. In general, if you have two samples both measuring the same thing, the combined mean will be somewhere between the two means, not their sum. So if combining heights of men and women, the mean height for (men and women) is certainly not the mean height of mean PLUS the mean height of women. $\endgroup$ – Nick Cox Oct 3 '14 at 12:50
  • $\begingroup$ @NickCox In the case you mention, we're talking about subgroup means, not means of different variables. $\endgroup$ – abaumann Oct 3 '14 at 13:44
  • $\begingroup$ @abaumann Agreed; that's what I said: "both measuring the same thing". $\endgroup$ – Nick Cox Oct 3 '14 at 14:02
  • $\begingroup$ Are you conflating population notation with samples? The Greek letters are conventionally used with population quantities. $\endgroup$ – Glen_b -Reinstate Monica Oct 3 '14 at 16:31
  • $\begingroup$ @NickCox - thank you for clarifying - yes - this adding two subgroup means. $\endgroup$ – Sarracenia Oct 20 '14 at 13:01
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The mean $E(X+Y)$ is equal to the sum of the means $E(X)$ and $E(Y)$, i.e., in your case $2+3.8=5.8$.

The standard deviation is the square root of the variance $Var(X+Y) = Var(X)+Var(Y)+2Cov(X,Y)$.

If you assume that the use of herbicide and fungicide are independent - a bold assertion, although I don't know much about agriculture - then this simplifies to $Var(X+Y)=Var(X)+Var(Y)$ and allows you to calculate the standard deviation by observing that

$Var(X)=0.82^2=0.6724$

$Var(Y)=2.5^2=6.25$

Which leads us to find that $\sigma_3=\sqrt{0.6724+6.25} \approx 2.631$

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The standard deviation is calculated differently if your sample correspond to the whole population or not.

In the first case (i.e. your study is conducted only on four farms), abaumann is right and the standard deviation of your pesticide sample $s_3$ is 2.68, calculated with the formula $$ s = \sqrt{\frac{1}{n} \sum_{i=1}^n (x_i-\bar{x})^2}$$

If instead the four farms are a random sample of a wider population (i.e. you are trying to estimate the pesticide consumption in your country using only four farms) you have to use the corrected sample standard deviation: $$ s_{corr} = \sqrt{\frac{1}{n-1} \sum_{i=1}^n (x_i-\bar{x})^2}$$ which gives $s_3=3.10$, as you mentioned in your question. The use of the term $n-1$ is called Bessel's correction.

To calculate $s_3$ you can either take $\sqrt{s_1^2+s_2^2}$, as correctly explained by abaumann, or use one of the two equation above (depends on your case) with the pesticide sample.


Let's recapitulate:

You have three sets of observation data: Herbicide, Fungicide and Pesticide, each with four elements. The P set is the result of the sum of H and F, so the three sets are not independent. Depending if they are the whole population or a sub-set of a bigger population, you will want to calculate the standard deviation of the sample $s$ or the corrected sample standard deviation $\sigma$ (please note these symbols are just to make things easier to follow and they are not a standard convention). Let's consider now only the first two sets, H and F. Their means and standard deviations are $$ x_1 = 2.00 \quad s_1=0.71 \quad \sigma_1=0.82 \\ x_2 = 3.75 \quad s_2=2.17 \quad \sigma_2=2.50 $$ The sum of the means $x_3$ have standard deviations $s_3$ and $\sigma_3$ as follows: $$ x_3 = x_1 + x_2 = 2.00 + 3.75 = 5.75\\ s_3 = \sqrt {s_1^2 + s_2^2} = \sqrt {0.71^2 + 2.17^2} = 2.28\\ \sigma_3 = \sqrt {\sigma_1^2 + \sigma_2^2} = \sqrt {0.82^2 + 2.50^2} = 2.63 $$ and that's the correct answer.

What you are doing is calculating the mean and standard deviations of a set (the P set resulting from the sum element by element of H and F) treating it as a third, independent set. If you were given the P set without explanation, that would be the best you could do and you would get $$ x_3 = 5.75\\ s_3 = 2.68\\ \sigma_3 = 3.10. $$ But in fact you know that P is the result of eight observation and not only four, so you can leverage this and get a lower standard deviation. The mean is independent of the number of observations hence it stays the same. In short, the two methods are not giving the same results because they are indeed calculated on different sets.

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  • $\begingroup$ @joseph-darimathea Thank you for contributing on this. abaumanns answer is 2.63 not 2.68, and I think its just coincidence that these numbers are close. Can you calculate the correct $s_3$ of 3.10 without the underlying data by your approach (i.e. just using $x_1$, $x_2$, $s_1$ and $s_2$)? It is definitely not $\sqrt{0.8^2+2.5^2}$. $\endgroup$ – Sarracenia Oct 20 '14 at 22:59
  • $\begingroup$ @GlobalSprawl I expanded the answer. In short, you can't get 3.10 from only $x_{1,2}$ and $s_{1,2}$. $\endgroup$ – Joseph D'Arimathea Oct 21 '14 at 10:48
  • $\begingroup$ @NickCox Indeed I haven't been clear, thanks for the correction. $\endgroup$ – Joseph D'Arimathea Oct 21 '14 at 13:05
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For combining groups, the following picture is for your reference.

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