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Let $T$ be some random variable on a probability space $\Omega$. Then we have, for $x\in\Omega$:

$$P(x) = P(x|T=T(x))P(T = T(x))$$

This equation is nonsense in an arbitrary probability space but informally it makes some kind of sense, and in a discrete space it's actually correct. Writing $g(t)=P(T=t)$ and $h(x)=P(x|T=T(x))$, we have

$$P(x)=g(T(x))h(x)$$

Which looks suspiciously like the Fisher-Neyman factorization theorem. If $T$ is sufficient for a family of distributions $P_\theta$, then we should instead write $g_\theta$ for $g$, but $h_\theta(x)=P_\theta(x|T=T(x))$ is indeed independent of $\theta$ by sufficiency, and the resemblance is even closer.

Can this interpretation be made rigorous, perhaps by thinking $g$ and $h$ as probability density functions?

Let $T$ be a random variable on some space $(\Omega, P)$ where $P$ is dominated by a measure $\mu$. Can the identity $$\frac{dP}{d\mu}(x) = P(x|T=T(x))P(T = T(x))$$ be made rigorous by replacing the meaningless probabilities on the right with appropriate pdfs?

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  • $\begingroup$ It looks very much not like the F-N factorization theorem for the simple reason that $h$ is not intended to be a density function and often cannot even be normalized to one. Consider Normal distributions, for instance. $\endgroup$ – whuber Aug 13 '17 at 13:46
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    $\begingroup$ @whuber You're right, $h$ probably can't be thought of as a density function since the expression $P(x|T=T(x))$ doesn't even intuitively look like a density function. So some other type of object would have to be used to formalize $P(x|T=T(x))$. $\endgroup$ – Jack M Aug 13 '17 at 14:48
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Pollard argues that disintegrations, which give conditional probability distributions under fairly general conditions, are the right way to think about the factorisation theorem and sufficiency in the continuous case.

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You could say that a statistic $T(x)$ is sufficient if you could model the sampling like first drawing the sufficient statistic from a distribution that depends on the parameters

$$T \sim f(t\vert \theta)$$

and then draw the observations $X$ from a distribution that depends only on $T$ and is independent from $\theta$

$$X \vert T \sim g(x \vert T)$$

In that case you have that the data $X$ does not tell anything more about $\theta$ than $T$.

And indeed for the distribution of X you get your expression where you multiply them. But, you would have to integrate it. To get a marginal distribution.

$$X\vert \theta \sim \int_{t \in \Omega} g(x\vert t) f(t \vert \theta) dt$$

Your expression is the joint distribution

$$h(x,t) = g(x\vert t) f(t \vert \theta)$$

For instance. To take a sample of size $n$ from a uniform distribution $U(0,a)$, you could first sample the maximum $t$ from a beta distribution and multiply with $a$, and then sample $n-1$ values from a uniform distribution $U(0,t)$.

The distribution of those $n-1$ variables tell nothing more about the value of $a$ than $t$.

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  • $\begingroup$ I guest that you might think why don't we have $h(x,t) = h(x)$ but I guest that this trick only works when we have $x$ as $n-1$ parameters. E.g in the case of the draw from the uniform distribution $t$ is the maximum from the sample and $x$ are the other $n-1$ values. If you would take $x$ as $n$ values then you get a degenerate function. For instance say you draw a samples of size two then $f(x_1,x_2 \vert t)$ will be infinite because it is all concentrated on a line instead in an area. stats.stackexchange.com/questions/361100/361541 $\endgroup$ – Sextus Empiricus Apr 1 '20 at 20:39

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