# Inverse AR/MA roots and near non-stationarity/invertibility

I computed an algorithm to find out the best ARMA (p,q) model via minimisation of the AIC. It turned out ARMA(5,5) is the best one with AIC=-2693.12.

However, the inverse roots of the AR and MA characteristic polynomial are the following:

Many of them looks very close to the unitary circle. That makes me feel like I'm in presence of a near non-stationarity & invertibility series (isn't it?). However ACF and PACF show the model as great for capturing autocorrelation in the residuals.

If I use auto.arima() in $R$ to find the best p,q instead, it turns out the best model is a simple AR(1). The AIC worst off to -2687.08.

By looking on internet I figured out that auto.arima() looks yes at AIC (if you specify so) but also at "numerical stability" in returning the "optimal" orders p,q.

What fools me is:

• What does it mean? What are the implication for a statistical analysis?

,and consequently:

• Which order should I use? Should I trade some AIC "points" in exchange of much numerical stability proposed by auto.arima()?
• Would the previous answer change in case the scope of my ARMA model is forecasting or testing?

Here the dput() of my dataset for replicability.

• The models you are suggesting are preposterous to someone who has been bulding minimally sufficient arima models for 50+ years. Please review stats.stackexchange.com/questions/319732/… for an extended discussion of the faults of auto.arima primarily due the lack of treatment of deterministic structure – IrishStat May 7 '18 at 13:37
• Analysis of data can efficiently suggest a possible hybrid model. If you wish to post your data , i will try and elaborate. – IrishStat May 7 '18 at 14:33
• @ IrishStat thank your for your comment! Cannot copy the dput() directly on the post as my post would exceed the character limits. However, you can access it at the end of the (now edited) post. – toyo10 May 7 '18 at 15:15
• how many observations are there . What is the frequency of measurement ? scale your data way down and post a 1 column csv – IrishStat May 7 '18 at 15:26
• @IrishStat 1488 daily observations. – toyo10 May 7 '18 at 15:51