I have to predict when the soil dries out. The dependent variable is therefore binary (the soil is wet or dry). I have a lot of variables, and I have clustered them together into three main clusters.

  1. Weather
  2. Vegetation
  3. Soil

When I run a penalised ridge logistic regression (glmnet) for all parameters I get an AUC value of around 0.81. Then I run it for each individual cluster. Weather and vegetation both amount to an AUC of 0.5, while the soil parameter has a AUC of 0.84.

  1. How can I get a better prediction of the when the soil dries with a cluster of variables than all variables included?
  2. Do the 'non-predictive' variables in the weather and vegetation cluster "drag down" the overall AUC score for the whole model and that is what I see with the higher AUC score for soil alone?

Here is the script:

registerDoParallel(4, cores = 4)
data <- read_csv("path/soildryness.csv")
df <- data %>% select(V1, V2, ... V25)
df.W <- data %>% select(V1, V2, ... V7)
df.V <- data %>% select(V8, V9, ... V18)
df.S <- data %>% select(V19, V20, ... V25)

training.samples <- df$V1 %>% createDataPartition(p = 0.8, list = FALSE)
train <- df[training.samples, ]
test <- df[-training.samples, ]
x.train <- data.frame(train[, names(train) != "V1"])
x.train <- data.matrix(x.train)
y.train <- train$V1
x.test <- data.frame(test[, names(test) != "V1"])
x.test <- data.matrix(x.test)
y.test <- test$V1
foldid <- sample(rep(seq(10), length.out = nrow(train)))

fits <- cv.glmnet(x.train, y.train, type.measure = "dev", alpha = 0, family = "binomial", nfolds = 10, foldid = foldid, parallel = TRUE, standardized = TRUE)

predicted <- predict(fits, s = fits$lambda.1se, newx = x.test, type = 'response')
pred <- prediction(predicted, y.test)
perf <- performance(pred, "tpr", "fpr")
plot(perf, color = "black")
abline(a = 0, b = 1, lty = 2, col = "red")
auc_ROCR <- performance(pred, measure = "auc")
auc_ROCR <- [email protected][[1]]

Sum up the AUC values:

Weather:    0.5
Vegetation: 0.5
Soil:       0.84
All:        0.81
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ If it's AUC on the test set, it could be because the other two groups of variables are not helpful (you can see this is the case because their individual AUCs are 0.5 - equivalent to random guessing). All they do is help the model overfit (due to unnecessary complexity) and you end up getting slightly worse performance on unseen data. $\endgroup$
    – Adrià Luz
    Sep 28, 2021 at 12:30
  • $\begingroup$ Data would also be useful to post if you can. Additionally, is wet/dry really binary? Shouldn't the outcome be moisture content? Not that you can go back and change it, I'm just saying there are definitely degrees of wetness and by not modelling the spectrum you lose out on a lot of information. $\endgroup$ Sep 28, 2021 at 13:11

1 Answer 1


I do not follow your code 100%, but it looks like you are finding this in out-of-sample data. In that case, it means that you are adding features that do not contribute much. Therefore, your model overfits to those features and is tricked by them when it comes time to evaluate out-of-sample performance.

However, this can happen with in-sample performance, too!

N <- 1000
B <- 1000
x <- runif(1000, -3, 3)
z <- 0
pr <- 1/(1 + exp(-z))
log_diff <- auc_diff <- rep(NA, B)
for (i in 1:B){
    y <- rbinom(N, 1, pr)
    L1 <- glm(y ~ x, family = binomial)
    L0 <- glm(y ~ 1, family = binomial)
    preds0 <- 1/(1 + exp(-predict(L0)))
    preds1 <- 1/(1 + exp(-predict(L1)))
    auc_diff[i] <- pROC::roc(y, preds0)$auc - pROC::roc(y, preds1)$auc
    log_diff[i] <- (-mean(y*log(preds0) + (1 - y)*log(1 - preds0))) - (-mean(y*log(preds1) + (1 - y)*log(1 - preds0)))

I get a mix of the intercept-only model having higher and lower AUC than the model with a predictor (which is not part of the true data-generating process). In contrast, the log loss is always higher for the intercept-only model, as we expect.

What's going on is that the logistic regression fit is not optimizing AUC. The logistic regression fit is optimizing log loss, which is equivalent to maximum likelihood estimation in this case.

$$ \text{Log Loss}\\ L(\hat p, y) = -\dfrac{1}{n} \sum_{i = 1}^n \bigg( y_i\log(\hat p_i) + (1 - y_i)\log(1 - \hat p_i) \bigg) $$

When we evaluate nested models on a different metric than the one that was optimized, it is possible that the more complex model will have inferior performance, even though it is guaranteed to outperform the smaller model on the metric for which it was optimized.

This is akin to how with nested OLS models, the complex one will always have the smaller in-sample (training) SSE, but it might not have the smaller in-sample (training) MAE.

Of interest: Does a logistic regression maximizing likelihood necessarily also maximize AUC over linear models?


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