I want to retrieve the correlations in a multivariate dataset. Let me first start with a simple case with three variables among which the first two are correlated. In other words, the three variables are assumed to follow a trivariate Gaussian $(y_{1}, y_{2}, y_{3})' \sim N((0, 0, 0)', S)$: require(MASS) r1 <- 0.5 # correlation value to be recovered ns <- 2000 # number of samples S <- matrix(c(1,r1,0, # correlation structure of trivariate data r1,1,0, 0,0,1), nrow=3, ncol=3) # simulated trivariate data dat <- data.frame(f = c(rep(paste0('P',1:ns), 2), paste0('U',1:ns)), y = c(mvrnorm(n=ns, mu=c(0, 0, 0), Sigma=S))) In the data frame `dat`, each pair of samples from the two correlated variables (with a correlation value of `r1` in the variance-covariance matrix `S`) are coded with the same label `P` in the factor 'f' while the samples for the third variable are coded with the label `U`. Now we can construct the following model $y_{ij} = \alpha + \mu_i + \epsilon_{ij}$, require(lme4) m1 <- lmer(y ~ 1 + (1|f), data=dat) With the variances from the model m1 output (each simulated dataset may lead to slightly different results): summary(m1) Random effects: Groups Name Variance Std.Dev. f (Intercept) 0.4916 0.7012 Residual 0.5006 0.7075 we can successfully recover the correlation `r1` as below (which should be very close to the simulated `r1` value, 0.5): $\frac{0.4916}{0.4916+0.5006} \approx 0.5$ tmp <- unlist(lapply(VarCorr(m1), `[`, 1)) # recover the correlation r1 tmp/(tmp+attr(VarCorr(m1), "sc")^2) Now Let's switch to a case with 5 variables among which the first and second as well as the third and fourth are correlated. In other words, the five variables are assumed to follow a pentavariate Gaussian $(y_{1}, y_{2}, y_{3}, y_{4}, y_{5})' \sim N((0, 0, 0, 0, 0)', S)$: r1 <- 0.2; r2 <- 0.8 # correlation value to be recovered ns <- 2000 # number of samples S <- matrix(c(1,r1,0,0,0, # correlation structure of pentavariate data r1,1,0,0,0, # the first and second variables are correlated 0,0,1,r2,0, # the third and fourth variables are correlated 0,0,r2,1,0, 0,0,0,0,1), nrow=5,ncol=5) # simulated data dat <- data.frame(f = c(rep(paste0('P',1:ns), 2), rep(paste0('T',1:ns), 2), paste0('S',1:ns)), R=c(rep('P',2*ns), rep('T',2*ns), rep('U', ns)), y = c(mvrnorm(n=ns, mu=rep(0,5), Sigma=S))) In the data frame `dat`, the first and second variables are correlated (with coefficient `r1`); each pair of their samples are coded together with the same label in the factor `f`. Similarly, the third and fourth variables are correlated (with coefficient `r2`); each pair of their samples are coded together with the same label in the factor `f`. Because of the correlation structure, all the samples are categorized into 3 (instead of 5) levels in the factor `R`. Our goal is to use the simulated data to recover `r1` and `r2`. With the following dummy coding dat$R1 <- as.numeric(dat$R=='P') # dummy code the first and second variables (r1) dat$R2 <- as.numeric(dat$R=='T') # dummy code the third and fourth variables (r2) I have considered the following two possible models m2 <- lmer(y ~ 1 + (0+R1|f) + (0+R2|f), data=dat) m3 <- lmer(y ~ 1 + (1|f) + (0+R2|f), data=dat) To avoid over-parameterization, I don't include a term `(1|f)` (or `(0+R1|f)`) in the model `m2` (or `m3`). However, I've been struggling to figure out a way to recover the correlations `r1` and `r2` with the variances from the random effects based on the models `m2` and `m3`. In other words, the variances from the random effects in `m2` and `m3` don't seem to allow me to reconstruct `r1` and `r2`. summary(m2) Random effects: Groups Name Variance Std.Dev. f R1 0.2731 0.5226 f.1 R2 0.5374 0.7331 Residual 0.6718 0.8196 and summary(m3) Random effects: Groups Name Variance Std.Dev. f (Intercept) 0.4004 0.6327 f.1 R2 0.2167 0.4655 Residual 0.5125 0.7159 Of course we could use a workaround solution by reducing the situation into two cases with three variables: # workaround solution m4 <- lmer(y ~ 1 + (1|f), data=dat[dat$R2!=1,]) # recover r1 like model m1 above m5 <- lmer(y ~ 1 + (1|f), data=dat[dat$R1!=1,]) # recover r2 like model m1 above Then we can adopt the same strategy as the first example with three variables and recover `r1` and `r2` separately. However, I would really want to find a way to recover `r1` and `r2` directly using the full data with models like `m2` and `m3`. One noticeable aspect is that in the model `m1` the total variance is conserved in the sense that the sum of the two variances from the modeling result ($0.4916+0.5006\approx 1$) is equal to the the variance (which is 1) of the simulating distribution $N((0, 0, 0)', S)$. In contrast, this is not true for the models `m2` and `m3`: the 3 variances in `summary(m2)` and `summary(m3)` do not add up to 1. This may indicate that there is variance leakage happening in the two latter models? Or the models `m2` and `m3` are not be the right formulation for the retrieval of `r1` and `r2`? So, I'm stuck: **Is there a way to properly parameterize the effects so that the two correlations could be recovered?**