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I've created a grouped density plot that examines birthweight by race (White, Black, Other), as well as individual histograms. The graphs do not look remotely like normal, bell-shaped curves. However, the means and medians for each race are quite close, and the skews and kurtoses are all within 0.5 of 0.

I did not include them, but the Q-Q plots are fairly straight, and Shapiro-Wilks tests on each group return p-values well above 0.05 (ranging from 0.2 to 0.8), so I accepted the null hypothesis of normality. Below are the graphs and relevant descriptive statistics with sample sizes included.

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Descriptive Statistics for each group

Can someone help explain what goes into deciding normality? I trust the numbers over my eyes, but the conflict is strange.

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    $\begingroup$ "Accept the null hypothesis" is a simple way to make statisticians grind their teeth into dust. $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 21, 2017 at 0:45
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    $\begingroup$ It is literally impossible for birth weight to be normally distributed, for physical reasons. Therefore, could you explain what you are trying to achieve by testing for normality? $\endgroup$
    – Chris Haug
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    $\begingroup$ The test you did is the Shapiro-Wilk, not Shapiro-Wilks (the statistician called Wilks is not the one involved in that test), Please fix so that you credit the correct name. $\endgroup$
    – Glen_b
    Commented Mar 21, 2017 at 1:06

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I've created a grouped density plot that examines birthweight by race (White, Black, Other), as well as individual histograms. The graphs do not look remotely like normal, bell-shaped curves.

These will not look exactly normal even when you sample from a normal. You may have unrealistic expectations of how they'd appear. I suggest you randomly sample from normal distributions (multiple times each at a variety of sample sizes - e.g. say 15, 40, 100, or perhaps each of the specific sample sizes you have here) and do histograms and kernel density estimates and Q-Q plots to see what they can look like when you do have normality.

However, the means and medians for each race are quite close, and the skews and kurtoses are all within 0.5 of 0

Even if all the means equalled the corresponding medians exactly, and all the skewness and kurtosis values were exactly what they would be for the normal, it doesn't mean that your populations are close to normal (indeed the samples can be clearly not from a normal distribution but you could still have all of those things be true)

return p-values well above 0.05 (ranging from 0.2 to 0.8), so I accepted the null hypothesis of normality.

Failure to reject normality doesn't mean you have normality. It means you couldn't tell it wasn't normal from the sample.

Can someone help explain what goes into deciding normality?

You don't "decide normality". You should accept that you won't literally have a normally distributed population (possibly ever, unless you create one). You can choose to model something as normal, but don't make the same error as Pygmalion (i.e. don't fall in love with your model, it's not the real thing -- it's a convenient abstraction, potentially useful for some purpose).

What matters is how badly affected whatever you're going to do is by whatever potential non-normality you have.

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Posting it as an answer since I want to attach images and it may be too long for a comment.

Can you judge which of the histograms shows values drawn from the normal distribution?

Histograms

Can you judge which of the density plots shows values drawn from the normal distribution?

Density plots

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All of them show the same values drawn from standard normal distribution. The only thing that differs is that in each case I used different numbers of bins for histograms, or bandwidth parameters for density plots. Those methods depend on the values of parameters that were used!

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  • $\begingroup$ Wow that really took me for a spin haha So... what do grouped density plots and histograms tell us if they're so easily manipulable? $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 22, 2017 at 16:17

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